View Full Version : Re: Air Force VFamily Portrait 1958
Paul Laughlin
October 14th 07, 02:49 AM
In 1958, the B-58 was not yet a part of the Air Force family.  I was the 
39th man to
sign in to the B-58 Test Force at Carswell AFB in the spring of '58.  We did
not get our first aircraft until months later.  The first production model
of the B-58 was delivered, across the runway, on December 1, 1959.  The
F-104A, which was the first production model, was delivered in 1958 .  I do
know that they were used, at times, as chase planes for the B-58 test
flights.  I believe that the F104 was used when speed was of the essence.
Most of the time they used F-102s for chase planes.  I was a lowly enlisted
man, who worked on the maintenance of the B-58 Bombing/Navigation system.  I
am pretty sure that the one at Paris in '58 was a test model.  I am not
positive just when the image that I posted was shot.  I hope this has helped
a little bit.
Paul in Portland OR
Willem Van der Voort
October 14th 07, 08:05 AM
"Paul Laughlin" > schreef in bericht 
...
> In 1958, the B-58 was not yet a part of the Air Force family.  I was the 
> 39th man to
> sign in to the B-58 Test Force at Carswell AFB in the spring of '58.  We 
> did
> not get our first aircraft until months later.  The first production model
> of the B-58 was delivered, across the runway, on December 1, 1959.  The
> F-104A, which was the first production model, was delivered in 1958 .  I 
> do
> know that they were used, at times, as chase planes for the B-58 test
> flights.  I believe that the F104 was used when speed was of the essence.
> Most of the time they used F-102s for chase planes.  I was a lowly 
> enlisted
> man, who worked on the maintenance of the B-58 Bombing/Navigation system. 
> I
> am pretty sure that the one at Paris in '58 was a test model.  I am not
> positive just when the image that I posted was shot.  I hope this has 
> helped
> a little bit.
> Paul in Portland OR
>
Thanks for the information.
I was in Paris when the B-58 arrived direct from the USA in a non stop 
flight.
I believe he did it in 3 hours.
Willem
Panic
October 14th 07, 06:24 PM
Paul, you might take a look at my B-58 web site for pictures and text about 
the Hustler.
Darrell R. Schmidt
B-58 Hustler Web Site
http://members.cox.net/dschmidt1/
USAF Pilot Class 55-I Web Site
http://pilotclass55india.org/
"Paul Laughlin" > wrote in message 
...
> In 1958, the B-58 was not yet a part of the Air Force family.  I was the 
> 39th man to
> sign in to the B-58 Test Force at Carswell AFB in the spring of '58.  We 
> did
> not get our first aircraft until months later.  The first production model
> of the B-58 was delivered, across the runway, on December 1, 1959.  The
> F-104A, which was the first production model, was delivered in 1958 .  I 
> do
> know that they were used, at times, as chase planes for the B-58 test
> flights.  I believe that the F104 was used when speed was of the essence.
> Most of the time they used F-102s for chase planes.  I was a lowly 
> enlisted
> man, who worked on the maintenance of the B-58 Bombing/Navigation system. 
> I
> am pretty sure that the one at Paris in '58 was a test model.  I am not
> positive just when the image that I posted was shot.  I hope this has 
> helped
> a little bit.
> Paul in Portland OR
>
>
Willem Van der Voort
October 14th 07, 07:25 PM
"Willem Van der Voort" > schreef in
bericht ...
>>Where is the B-58 & F-104 Starfighter, I saw them in the Paris air show in
>>1958
> I was in Paris when the B-58 arrived direct from the USA in a non stop
> flight.
My mistake,  I wend to the Paris air showin in 1961, in 1958 I wend to
the Brussels World fair. Bad memory  :-)
On Friday 26 May 1961, a B-58 flew from New York City to Paris,
France in 3 hours and 14 minutes
Willem
Paul Laughlin
October 14th 07, 09:28 PM
Are you sure that was in 1958?  In 1961 a B-58 and it's crew were taken to 
The Paris Air Show to receive the Bleriot Trophy.  A different crew 
delivered the aircraft to Paris and set a speed record from New York to 
Paris of three hours and 19 minutes.  I believe that record still stands. 
Then the crew, that actually made the flight that won the Bleriot Trophy 
took off on the return flight.  They did a fly-by and attempted a victory 
roll.  Lost control and crashed about 5 km from Le Bourget.
Paul in Portland OR
"Willem Van der Voort" > wrote in message 
...
> I was in Paris when the B-58 arrived direct from the USA in a non stop 
> flight.
>
> I believe he did it in 3 hours.
Willem Van der Voort
October 14th 07, 11:43 PM
"Paul Laughlin" > schreef in bericht 
. ..
> Are you sure that was in 1958?  In 1961 a B-58 and it's crew were taken to 
> The Paris Air Show to receive the Bleriot Trophy.  A different crew 
> delivered the aircraft to Paris and set a speed record from New York to 
> Paris of three hours and 19 minutes.  I believe that record still stands. 
> Then the crew, that actually made the flight that won the Bleriot Trophy 
> took off on the return flight.  They did a fly-by and attempted a victory 
> roll.  Lost control and crashed about 5 km from Le Bourget.
> Paul in Portland OR
My mistake,  I wend to the Paris air showin in 1961, in 1958 I wend to
the Brussels World fair. Bad memory  :-)
On Friday 26 May 1961, a B-58 flew from New York City to Paris,
France in 3 hours and 14 minutes
Willem
Patrick R7
October 15th 07, 08:58 AM
1961
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Norm DePlume
October 15th 07, 05:04 PM
Merci.
October 17th 07, 05:22 AM
In the linked pictures of Le Bourget, 1959, what is that twin-tailed
monstrosity with the straight wings, 4 recip engines and huge wingtips? 
NEVER seen it before, and I was alive in the late 50s, though I was never in
Europe in the 50s or early 60s.
Thanks in advance.
Brian
Proton Fox
October 17th 07, 07:42 AM
 wrote in
 ng.com: 
> In the linked pictures of Le Bourget, 1959, what is that twin-tailed
> monstrosity with the straight wings, 4 recip engines and huge
> wingtips? NEVER seen it before, and I was alive in the late 50s,
> though I was never in Europe in the 50s or early 60s.
> 
> Thanks in advance.
> 
> Brian
Breguet 761 series.
See : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Breguet_Deux-Ponts
Patrick R7
October 17th 07, 09:11 AM
Proton Fox a écrit :
> 
> See : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Breguet_Deux-Ponts
> 
> 
> 
Yes : "Breguet Two Desks" ;-)
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